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Noah Daniels's avatar

As usual, I love what you have to say on this subject. I share your thoughts entirely. For myself, I’m more immersed in the western tradition, and as much as I love the medievals, their attitude toward sex is one reason why I can’t take Catholicism seriously when it says its dogma has never changed. Margery Kempe was a mystic who moved out of the house so as to avoid becoming polluted by her husband. The man had horribly asked of her that she eat dinner with him on Friday nights and have sex with him on just that night. But see, that would make her less a bride of Christ. Lewis in his Allegory of Love talks about how medieval attitudes, if not dogmas, were highly negative about sex. It was presented by many as something inherently impure and tolerated only for procreation. This was the very attitude that allowed courtly love traditions to develop on grounds of adulterous love affairs; sex within a sacramental union defiled the sacrament. Better to have romantic love outside the sacrament. St Bernard likewise speaks ill of sex, and Peter Abelard repented of his entire marriage to Heloise because their passion was too strong. He was grateful for his castration because it relieved him of this burden and sin. One of her letters to him on this subject is among the most painful and poignant things I’ve ever read. To act as though Pope St John Paul II and his Theology of the Body was always the Catholic teaching is enough to raise my eyebrows.

And likewise, I’m with you. I never really thought about it in these terms until recently, but the level of feeling I have for many great novelists and poets is akin to how many more theologically minded people than I feel about the saints. The great works are where I find my wisdom and guidance, always subordinate to holy scripture and guided by the wisdom of tradition. But, frankly, I think Dante has a great deal more wisdom on this subject than celibate priests and monks.

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Jonathan Geltner's avatar

You write very well on this topic. If you ever do undertake a book, this should be its theme.

When I was a youth, raised without religion I nonetheless felt a strong religious impulse, I had a powerful sense of the divine and transcendent. I experienced that other world through three modes of relation: my relation to the natural world (including as shaped by human effort), my relation to the arts (especially music and literature), and my relation to the opposite sex. Even today, I cannot imagine the divine except through these relations. Nor can I imagine these relations without the divine.

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